Comments for THE MORMON BOY BLOG http://www.mormonboy.com/blog Steven Fales Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:47:52 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 Comment on Another Victim Bites the Dust by Victim No More http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/2010/07/21/another-one-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-4633 Victim No More Fri, 30 Jul 2010 08:47:52 +0000 http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4633 "You have no idea what Todd was like, his personal struggles (which I will not go into here), what he thought or what he was feeling when he chose to end his life." Indeed a sad loss, and no disrespect to the mourning process, but is there another message that needs to get out? Mental illness and depression is treatable, there are signs that we can all do a better job of being aware of. Suicide is an irrational act in desperation. The message of no one knows how bad a person felt when they chose to end their life, is not a message of hope, nor is it mentally healthy for survivors or the next "victim" to see this as a rational alternative to treatment. “You have no idea what Todd was like, his personal struggles (which I will not go into here), what he thought or what he was feeling when he chose to end his life.”
Indeed a sad loss, and no disrespect to the mourning process, but is there another message that needs to get out? Mental illness and depression is treatable, there are signs that we can all do a better job of being aware of. Suicide is an irrational act in desperation. The message of no one knows how bad a person felt when they chose to end their life, is not a message of hope, nor is it mentally healthy for survivors or the next “victim” to see this as a rational alternative to treatment.

]]> Comment on MAP Afterglow at the Tavernacle by Victim No More http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/2010/07/27/map-afterglow-at-the-tavernacle/comment-page-1/#comment-4631 Victim No More Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:37:18 +0000 http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/?p=606#comment-4631 Sometimes there is much more glory in how one plays the cards they are dealt, not how well they fold ‘em. Sometimes there is much more glory in how one plays the cards they are dealt, not how well they fold ‘em.

]]> Comment on MAP Afterglow at the Tavernacle by Paul http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/2010/07/27/map-afterglow-at-the-tavernacle/comment-page-1/#comment-4630 Paul Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:05:07 +0000 http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/?p=606#comment-4630 I would like to ask Dave what he is running from? The fact that he can do something about his own situation, that there is a choice? The "poor me, they done me wrong" blame someone else rant is getting old. I would like to ask Dave what he is running from? The fact that he can do something about his own situation, that there is a choice? The “poor me, they done me wrong” blame someone else rant is getting old.

]]> Comment on MAP Afterglow at the Tavernacle by Kevin http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/2010/07/27/map-afterglow-at-the-tavernacle/comment-page-1/#comment-4629 Kevin Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:18:28 +0000 http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/?p=606#comment-4629 Dave, sometimes we need to keep the focus on our own issues, faults and need for change. The time you spend in self righteous finger wagging, might be better spent looking in the mirror. Are you avoiding accountability? Dave, sometimes we need to keep the focus on our own issues, faults and need for change. The time you spend in self righteous finger wagging, might be better spent looking in the mirror. Are you avoiding accountability?

]]> Comment on “Before I Go To The Parade” or “Before the Parade Passes By” by Kevin http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/2010/07/24/before-i-go-to-the-parade/comment-page-1/#comment-4623 Kevin Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:58:13 +0000 http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/?p=583#comment-4623 Rest in peace Todd, someday there will be a memorial for you and every other Mormon lost to suicide. It will be located right next to the Mountain Meadow Massacre, the killing of innocents. Rest in peace Todd, someday there will be a memorial for you and every other Mormon lost to suicide. It will be located right next to the Mountain Meadow Massacre, the killing of innocents.

]]> Comment on MAP Afterglow at the Tavernacle by Karl Bennion http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/2010/07/27/map-afterglow-at-the-tavernacle/comment-page-1/#comment-4622 Karl Bennion Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:41:56 +0000 http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/?p=606#comment-4622 The evening was wonderful. Everyone that I talked to really enjoyed the show and had a fun evening. People hung around after to talk to Steven and tell him how great it was. I think Dave got confused and was at a different show. The evening was wonderful. Everyone that I talked to really enjoyed the show and had a fun evening. People hung around after to talk to Steven and tell him how great it was. I think Dave got confused and was at a different show.

]]> Comment on Another Victim Bites the Dust by Bryck http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/2010/07/21/another-one-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-4621 Bryck Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:09:36 +0000 http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4621 Don't all of us here want the same thing, really? I think Stephen is attempting to make some potentially useful points. It's a harsh message and "a spoonful of sugar [or compassion, certainly would have helped] the medicine go down" but however hurtfully Stephen said it, it seems that what he's really trying to say is that he doesn't want to see more people get hurt. Sadly it seems that some have focused on the manner rather than message and have reacted by launching their own counter-attacks meant to hurt. Honestly, I think we are all on the same side. We want for everyone to be happy and feel accepted and NOT for people (that means ANYONE: Stephen, Reed, CLP, or Todd) to feel like killing themselves. Have your comments shown your intentions? This is an emotional issue, of course but let's speak as kindly and treat each other as gently as we possibly can, since we each feel alone, hopeless and friendless sometimes. Let's not decide who deserves to feel that way and make sure that they do; let's instead be the ones who try to understand and to be a friend. Don’t all of us here want the same thing, really? I think Stephen is attempting to make some potentially useful points. It’s a harsh message and “a spoonful of sugar [or compassion, certainly would have helped] the medicine go down” but however hurtfully Stephen said it, it seems that what he’s really trying to say is that he doesn’t want to see more people get hurt. Sadly it seems that some have focused on the manner rather than message and have reacted by launching their own counter-attacks meant to hurt.
Honestly, I think we are all on the same side. We want for everyone to be happy and feel accepted and NOT for people (that means ANYONE: Stephen, Reed, CLP, or Todd) to feel like killing themselves.
Have your comments shown your intentions? This is an emotional issue, of course but let’s speak as kindly and treat each other as gently as we possibly can, since we each feel alone, hopeless and friendless sometimes. Let’s not decide who deserves to feel that way and make sure that they do; let’s instead be the ones who try to understand and to be a friend.

]]> Comment on MAP Afterglow at the Tavernacle by Jim Harrison http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/2010/07/27/map-afterglow-at-the-tavernacle/comment-page-1/#comment-4619 Jim Harrison Wed, 28 Jul 2010 18:42:07 +0000 http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/?p=606#comment-4619 The above homophobic, rude and arrogant comment from Dave is pathetic. His hostility and probable self loathing is apparent. He certainly has the right to not enjoy your show and voice his criticism of you as an artist/ performer. However his bigoted opinions about you personally and even going as far as putting his feelings in the voice of other audience members is UNACCEPTABLE! It is time that we as a society stop tolerating such hatred and spewed vindictive...to ANY fellow human being. Keep up your art Steven. Best wishes from a straight former LDS member who left the church for many reasons...including the intolerable policy toward Lesbian and Gay people. Jim The above homophobic, rude and arrogant comment from Dave is pathetic. His hostility and probable self loathing is apparent. He certainly has the right to not enjoy your show and voice his criticism of you as an artist/ performer. However his bigoted opinions about you personally and even going as far as putting his feelings in the voice of other audience members is UNACCEPTABLE! It is time that we as a society stop tolerating such hatred and spewed vindictive…to ANY fellow human being. Keep up your art Steven.
Best wishes from a straight former LDS member who left the church for many reasons…including the intolerable policy toward Lesbian and Gay people.
Jim

]]> Comment on Another Victim Bites the Dust by Wyatt http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/2010/07/21/another-one-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-4615 Wyatt Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:06:11 +0000 http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4615 All I have to say is, I agree with Steven. If someone feels like the victim for so long they will crumble and take their own lives because they are not strong enough to get through it. All I have to say is, I agree with Steven. If someone feels like the victim for so long they will crumble and take their own lives because they are not strong enough to get through it.

]]> Comment on Another Victim Bites the Dust by Jerry Warner http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/2010/07/21/another-one-bites-the-dust/comment-page-1/#comment-4613 Jerry Warner Wed, 28 Jul 2010 03:41:32 +0000 http://www.mormonboy.com/blog/?p=521#comment-4613 Steven - The "Prince of Zion" or "St Todd" that you refer to in your blog was my friend. He was one of the kindest, most genuine people that I've had the pleasure of knowing. With Todd, what you saw is what you got. There were no masks and there were no filters. He had the ability to bring a smile to my face when I was feeling down. He was someone with whom I shared my most personal and intimate feelings, thoughts and experiences. He was stubborn and drove me crazy sometimes. I loved him. This past week has been incredibly difficult for those of us who knew and loved Todd - his friends and his family. We've been struggling to process his suicide and to come to grips with the fact that he was ripped out of our lives by his own hand. Your blog doesn't help. We knew and loved Todd. You didn't. How dare you accuse him of being drunk on self-pity and that he is the ultimate narcissistic "Look at me I'm gay"? You have no idea what Todd was like, his personal struggles (which I will not go into here), what he thought or what he was feeling when he chose to end his life. I've seen your show and I've spoken with you on several occasions. If memory serves, you weren't too far away from following the same the path that Todd chose so I'm a bit surprised by the coldness of your judgement and utter lack of compassion for Todd, his friends or his family. Once again, you never knew Todd. Please don't presume to know what he was thinking, the kind of person that he was or try to belittle him in his death. It's insulting. And your comments say much more about your own personal character than they do about Todd. Steven –

The “Prince of Zion” or “St Todd” that you refer to in your blog was my friend. He was one of the kindest, most genuine people that I’ve had the pleasure of knowing. With Todd, what you saw is what you got. There were no masks and there were no filters. He had the ability to bring a smile to my face when I was feeling down. He was someone with whom I shared my most personal and intimate feelings, thoughts and experiences. He was stubborn and drove me crazy sometimes. I loved him.

This past week has been incredibly difficult for those of us who knew and loved Todd – his friends and his family. We’ve been struggling to process his suicide and to come to grips with the fact that he was ripped out of our lives by his own hand.

Your blog doesn’t help.

We knew and loved Todd. You didn’t. How dare you accuse him of being drunk on self-pity and that he is the ultimate narcissistic “Look at me I’m gay”? You have no idea what Todd was like, his personal struggles (which I will not go into here), what he thought or what he was feeling when he chose to end his life.

I’ve seen your show and I’ve spoken with you on several occasions. If memory serves, you weren’t too far away from following the same the path that Todd chose so I’m a bit surprised by the coldness of your judgement and utter lack of compassion for Todd, his friends or his family.

Once again, you never knew Todd. Please don’t presume to know what he was thinking, the kind of person that he was or try to belittle him in his death. It’s insulting. And your comments say much more about your own personal character than they do about Todd.

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